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Da: really real - vedi profilo
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http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
 

Is God real, or is he imaginary? It is one of the most important
questions in America today, because this question lies at the heart of
the American culture wars.
If God is real and if God inspired the Bible, then we should worship God
as the Bible demands. We should certainly post the Ten Commandments in
our courthouses and shopping centers, put "In God We Trust" on the
money, pray in our schools and eliminate the theory of evolution from
every curriculum. We should focus our society on God and his infallible
Word because our everlasting souls hang in the balance.
On the other hand, if God is imaginary, then religion is a complete
illusion. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are pointless. We should
eliminate God from our society because God is meaningless. Belief in God
is nothing but a silly superstition, and this superstition leads a
significant portion of the population to be completely delusional.
But how can we decide, conclusively, whether God is real or imaginary?
Since we are intelligent human beings living in the 21st century, we
should take the time to look at some data. That is what we are doing
when we ask, "Why won't God heal amputees?"
If you are an intelligent human being, and if you want to understand the
true nature of God, you owe it to yourself to ask, "Why won't God heal
amputees?"
Why won't God heal amputees?" may seem like an odd name for a Web site.
The reason for choosing it is simple: this is one of the most important
questions that we can ask about God.
The question, "Why won't God heal amputees?" probes into a fundamental
aspect of prayer and exposes it for observation. This aspect of prayer
has to do with ambiguity and coincidence.
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To help you understand why this question is so important, let's look at
an example. Let's imagine that you visit your doctor one day, and he
tells you that you have cancer. Your doctor is optimistic, and he
schedules surgery and chemotherapy to treat your disease. Meanwhile, you
are terrified. You don't want to die, so you pray to God day and night
for a cure. The surgery is successful, and when your doctor examines you
again six months later the cancer is gone. You praise God for answering
your prayers. You totally believe with all your heart that God has
worked a miracle in your life.
The obvious question to ask is: What cured you? Was it the
surgery/chemotherapy, or was it God? Is there any way to know whether
God is playing a role or not when we pray?
Unless you take the time to intelligently analyze this situation, it
looks ambiguous. God might have miraculously cured your disease, as many
Christians believe. But God might also be imaginary, and the
chemotherapy drugs and surgery are the things that cured you. Or your
body's immune system might have cured the cancer itself.
When your tumor dissappeared, in other words, it might simply have been
a complete coincidence that you happened to pray. Your prayer may have
had zero effect.
How can we determine whether it is God or coincidence that worked the
cure? One way is to eliminate the ambiguity. In a non-ambiguous
situation, there is no potential for coincidence. Because there is no
ambiguity, we can actually know whether God is answering the prayer or not.
That is what we are doing when we look at amputees.
Think about it this way. The Bible clearly promises that God answers
prayers. For example, in Mark 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I tell you,
whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and
it will be yours." And billions of Christians believe these promises.
You can find thousands of books, magazine articles and Web sites talking
about the power of prayer. According to believers, God is answering
millions of their prayers every day.
So what should happen if we pray to God to restore amputated limbs?
Clearly, if God is real, limbs should regenerate through prayer. In
reality, they do not.
Why not? Because God is imaginary. Notice that there is zero ambiguity
in this situation. There is only one way for a limb to regenerate
through prayer: God must exist and God must answer prayers. What we find
is that whenever we create a unambiguous situation like this and look at
the results of prayer, prayer never works. God never "answers prayers"
if there is no possibility of coincidence. We will approach this issue
from several different angles in this book, but Chapters 5, 6, 7 and 8
are particularly important:
·      Chapter 5 - Why won't God heal amputees?
·      Chapter 6 - Why do you need health insurance?
·      Chapter 7 - Why can't you move a mountain?
·      Chapter 8 - Why do bad things happen to good people?
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The fact that prayers are never answered when the possibility of
coincidence is eliminated meshes with another fact. If we analyze God's
responses to ambiguous prayers using statistical tools, what we find is
that there is never any statistical evidence for prayer. In other words,
when we statisically compare prayer to coincidence for explaining any
situation, they are identical. For example, this article points out:
One of the most scientifically rigorous studies yet, published earlier
this month, found that the prayers of a distant congregation did not
reduce the major complications or death rate in patients hospitalized
for heart treatments. [ref]
It also says:
A review of 17 past studies of ''distant healing," published in 2003 by
a British researcher, found no significant effect for prayer or other
healing methods.
No valid scientific study has ever found any evidence that prayer works.
See this page for details.
You can see the same effect in the following prayer. Let's assume that
you are a true believer and you do believe that God cures cancer. What
would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:
Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we
pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray
in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7,
Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19
and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely
heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and
help millions of people in remarkable ways. If God cures cancer, then
this is an easy prayer for an omnipotent, all-loving God to answer.
The fact is, what this prayer does is remove ambiguity. As soon as we do
that, we see the true nature of "God." There is no way that a
coincidence can answer this prayer, and, sure enough, the prayer goes
unanswered.
If you look at the data, you can see exactly what is happening here:
·      When we pray to God about any non-ambigous situation, God never
answers the prayer.
·      When we analyse any ambiguous prayer using statistical tools, we find
zero effect from prayer.
In other words, every "answered prayer" truly is a coincidence, nothing
more. "God" doesn't "answer prayers" at all. The belief in prayer is
pure superstition. Non-ambiguous prayers (like those of amputees) show
us, conclusively, that the whole idea that "God answers prayers" is an
illusion created by human imagination.:
 

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Da: bgr...@aol.com - vedi profilo
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- Mostra testo tra virgolette -

 

I always wondered about that.....I sure am glad you cleared that up for
me.
 
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Da: Bernie Woodham - vedi profilo
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"really real" <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message

 
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> http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
 

> Is God real, or is he imaginary? It is one of the most important questions
> in America today, because this question lies at the heart of the American
> culture wars.
> If God is real and if God inspired the Bible, then we should worship God
> as the Bible demands. We should certainly post the Ten Commandments in our
> courthouses and shopping centers, put "In God We Trust" on the money, pray
> in our schools and eliminate the theory of evolution from every
> curriculum.

 

Is Don Really Real?  Rumor has it that he's Really Kiddin'
 
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Da: Pastor Marc - vedi profilo
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Bernie Woodham wrote:
> "really real" <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:hLzih.509138$5R2.60747@pd7urf3no...
> > http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
 

> > Is God real, or is he imaginary? It is one of the most important questions
> > in America today, because this question lies at the heart of the American
> > culture wars.
> > If God is real and if God inspired the Bible, then we should worship God
> > as the Bible demands. We should certainly post the Ten Commandments in our
> > courthouses and shopping centers, put "In God We Trust" on the money, pray
> > in our schools and eliminate the theory of evolution from every
> > curriculum.
 

> Is Don Really Real?  Rumor has it that he's Really Kiddin'

 

Six reasons why prayer doesnt always get answered the way you want
1. personal sin or unconfessed sin - Psalm 66:18 - this blocks many
prayers
2. It's Not God's will - 1 John 5:14
3. God says no - 2 Corinthians 12:7-10
4. God says later - last paragraph of Daniel 12
5. God says "make sure your motives are right - James 4:2-3
 

It does not automatically follow that if you dont get what you want,
then God doesn't exist. There are these and many other possible reasons
why a prayer may not get answered to your satisfaction.
 

I recommend a good book like William Lane Craig's "Hard Questions, Real
Answers." or if you are a brain, get a good book where an atheist and a
theist debate the existence of God - honestly,these sorts of posts will
not resolve the issue for all time.
 

An atheist said, "If there is a God, may he prove himself by striking
me dead right now." Nothing happened. "You see, there is not
God." Another responded, "You've only proved that He is a
gracious God."
 

PM
 

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Da: badlands420 - vedi profilo
Data: Ven 22 Dic 2006 02:37
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> Is God real, or is he imaginary? It is one of the most important
> questions in America today, because this question lies at the heart of the
> American culture wars.

 
You're not American. Go to an anti-seal clubbing rally and mind your own
fuckin' business, eh.
 
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Da: J Buck - vedi profilo
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so why'd you go there?
 
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Da: badlands420 - vedi profilo
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> so why'd you go there?

 
Tim Horton's.
 
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